Curse

Big_Iron · Jan 12, 2007, 04:39 PM // 16:39

I wish just once we could have a mature, intelligent discussion on this subject without it becoming an America vs. Europe flame war. Bottom line is the system is broke as it now stands. It’s not just about Europe and America. Think about Japan, Taiwan, and now even Korea, who never have favor.

And BTW, I like to go down there to explore as well. It's not just about farming either.

Rakeman · Jan 12, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

Favor needs a fix. /signed

Franco Power · Jan 12, 2007, 04:49 PM // 16:49

haha, you guys argueing with Lady whos r11 and has gotten you favor over 1000 times,

stop crying

you want favor ? Go earn it.

Bryant Again · Jan 12, 2007, 04:51 PM // 16:51

When you're in the provinces Woody has named, they can't just switch territories, so they're totally plucked, non-stop.

But sadly, I really don't think ANet will do anything to "help" the Favor system. It may've seemed like a good idea on paper and it was actually "alright" (from what I remember) in the early days of Guild Wars.

I guess they won't change it because that's how things of been for awhile now. But if they can change the party-size to 6*, why not change how Favor works?

The OP's ideas, along with many others, seem harmless. But I fear they won't change it because "that's just the way it is".

*I'm not saying because they changed the play to 6v6 that they should change the favor system. I'm simply saying that if they can change a very core way of playing, they should have no qualms with changing other large game aspects.

Big_Iron · Jan 12, 2007, 05:35 PM // 17:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legendary Ultimatum

stop crying
you want favor ? Go earn it.

I guess you missed the part where I mentioned having "a mature, intelligent discussion on this subject."

Revan Bastille · Jan 12, 2007, 06:00 PM // 18:00

/notsigned

First of all, Anet will be making changes to the whole HA process. Who knows, maybe they'll change the whole 'favor' process too?

I'm on the American server, and while it's sometimes frustrating to see that Europe "always" has favor, it's fair imo. If you want favor (no matter your region), try getting a good HA group together and win the favor.

For example, last night, a couple guildmates and I won our first HoH each, and to top it off we also won the favor for America. It was an awesome feeling -- very addicting! Sure it's not easy, there are a lot of great players and guilds out there. If you stick with it though, it's definitely rewarding.

KESKI · Jan 12, 2007, 06:11 PM // 18:11

I realy dont think its about FOW/UW anymore...
Its realy more of the human desire of the fruit that cant be reach....(or harder to reach)

my reason
1. FOW/UW is not the only end game in any of the GW(used to be, but tyria now have sf)
2. Most, and I mean like 90%+ most, people is not there for the fun of mission or quest, most of the FOW and UW regular dont even know the mission....I get someone said mission complete, after we free the Forge master...which is so not the end of FOW...and people that dont know there are evil mes horseman in UW(55 monk own every foes in UW...ya right).
3. I once come up with the thought that maybe people are just there for ecto and shard, to strick it rich and join the leet group. But believe it or not, having FOW/UW open wont make any one rich in the long run. Ecto and shard might be cheaper and eazier to get, but by all mean the poor wont score a rich. If someone is poor now, it most definaly have nothing to do with they cant farm FOW/UW 24/7...more of they simply dont have the stuff to be rich. As much as I hate to say it, one can get lucky and hit a million over night, but only one that is worthy will earn that million, and get his second million with the first million. Value of a bill means a lot more then the number on it.
4. If sadly #3 is the most case, well...I personaly believe pve does need some kind of lure. And that is all FOW/UW armor is. Its a lure

Again, I do believe there need some change with the favor system, under the stander "every nation have a fair chance to earn it" (come on..look at those asian server's population...and tell me they have a fair chance) The current, nation with most HA team win is....not realy what I have in mind as "fair".
But no, I dont see how FOW/UW open 24/7 will help pve in anyway at all, not in balance out the rich and the poor, or over all move the comunity to a positive direction.

there my 2 cent.
Now...can I say /not sign??

dj deviate · Jan 12, 2007, 06:24 PM // 18:24

how about this then just remove the favour entry just make it open to all all the time

Keithark · Jan 12, 2007, 06:27 PM // 18:27

1) Easy solution....no favor, free to enter for everyone who can get there. I wasn't around when America always had favor so I should be penalized?? NO!! Also PvP has no business affecting PvE.

2) For those who think it does, fine then make quest and mission completion in PvE gain points for that server, whichever server (american, euro, etc) has the most points gains favor and then the people in PvP on that servor get 10% morale boost and people not in favor get 60% dp at start of all PvP matches!! If it makes sense for PvP to affect PvE then the reverse must also be true.

Retribution X · Jan 12, 2007, 06:31 PM // 18:31

think of it as this.

Anet makes it so PvP players MUST PvE for at LEAST an hour in order to access a PvP area for a limited about of time.

Is that fair?

No. So why do we have it for PvE?

Shadow Kurd · Jan 12, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dark Kal

/not signed

I remember when America and Korea had the favor all the time and Europe virtually had to beg to get favor once in a while. What goes around comes around!

-----> /not signed

CassiusDrehyg · Jan 12, 2007, 06:40 PM // 18:40

/notsigned

I now think that Europe should have favour 24/7. Europe never used to get favour, now you're getting a taste of your own medicine

Keithark · Jan 12, 2007, 06:42 PM // 18:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by KESKI

But no, I dont see how FOW/UW open 24/7 will help pve in anyway at all, not in balance out the rich and the poor, or over all move the comunity to a positive direction.

there my 2 cent.
Now...can I say /not sign??

PPL like me is who it would help, "beat" all campaigns on the only 5 characters that I like/want to play, have green weapons on all the hero's that I use on each of my main characters, have the armor and swords/axe/staff/etc that I want and all that with still 4 months wait for next chapter, been playing GW for 6 months total...now what am I to do? Oh I know I can go to FoW or UW and check that out...oops no I can't because we don't have favor! I don't need ecto's, gold, or anything else like that I just want to do FoW and UW because in the 6 months I have had the game I have only been able to do FoW 2 times and UW 0 times, as said before take PvP influence out of PvE or put PvE influence into PvP so that at least it sucks for everone and not just for PvE players

CassiusDrehyg · Jan 12, 2007, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Keep PvE players miserable, keep favour as it is.

Mister Muhkuh · Jan 12, 2007, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Retribution X

Hey!

This is a simple idea, born mostly because Europe Nearly ALWAYS has favor, and because America rarely gets favor.

dear teacher,
my classmate is working hard for his good marks, I don't like to work for good marks. please don't give marks anymore...

/sarcasm

sorry, but...

it's been said before:

if you want favor work for it or change territory

cheers

Keithark · Jan 12, 2007, 06:50 PM // 18:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Muhkuh

if you want favor work for it or change territory

cheers

as said before why should PvE players have to play PvP in order to get into a PvE area?? that is just DUMB. But if that is the case then make it where PvP players get to play PvP 1 hour for every hour they have played in PvE and then they can't get in until they go PvE some more...in other words if you want to PvP then "Work for it" as you stated above

CassiusDrehyg · Jan 12, 2007, 06:56 PM // 18:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keithark

as said before why should PvE players have to play PvP in order to get into a PvE area?? that is just DUMB. But if that is the case then make it where PvP players get to play PvP 1 hour for every hour they have played in PvE and then they can't get in until they go PvE some more...in other words if you want to PvP then "Work for it" as you stated above

I hate to break this to you, but I'd say the vast majority of PvP players couldn't give a damn about PvE. If you idea was implemented, those PvP players would quit. If nobody was playing HA, then nobody would get favour. If nobody has favour, nobody will play. If you can't work to get America favour, don't complain, because you don't deserve anything you don't work for.

Keithark · Jan 12, 2007, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by CassiusDrehyg

If you can't work to get America favour, don't complain, because you don't deserve anything you don't work for.

Why is everyone missing the point??? I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PVP TO PLAY IN A PVE AREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if it is considered "fair" or whatever that I should have to PvP to get into PvE area then why is it not "fair" for PvP players to have to PvE to get into PvP areas?

And lastly if I am "working" for it and I am on the team that "gets" the favor then I can't very well be in FoW or UW because I am too busy getting favor..it is a stupid system and should be removed

Big_Iron · Jan 12, 2007, 07:10 PM // 19:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keithark

Why is everyone missing the point??? I SHOULD NOT HAVE TO PVP TO PLAY IN A PVE AREA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And if it is considered "fair" or whatever that I should have to PvP to get into PvE area then why is it not "fair" for PvP players to have to PvE to get into PvP areas?

And lastly if I am "working" for it and I am on the team that "gets" the favor then I can't very well be in FoW or UW because I am too busy getting favor..it is a stupid system and should be removed

Exactly. As has been pointed out, the vast majority of PvPers have little to no desire to play PvE. I would wager there's not a single PvPer in the WORLD that would leave HoH because they got favor and can now go play in UW/FoW. I don't even PvP and I know that.

"Cool, I've captured HoH so I'll be leaving now to go play PvE."
/sarcasm

It'll NEVER happen! It's a flawed system and should be fixed.

HalPlantagenet · Jan 12, 2007, 07:34 PM // 19:34

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Originally Posted by beanerman_99

*SIGH* Not everybody wants to get into UW or FoW just to frickin farm. I know that there are a lot of folks who do, but quit saying that the only reason people here want to get into these areas is to Farm.

Some of us would like to actually EXPLORE the area and see what there is to see.

I think favor is an outdated concept for Guild Wars and should be done away with. I will also go out on a limb and say I would like to be able to take my Hero/Hench team into these areas as well. I know you all will scream and holler about this idea and I don't care. To make you happy, maybe they could just allow heroes and henches in as a "weekend event".

I would like to be able to explore these areas without having to go through the massive headache of finding a PUG that is willing to just explore the area and do the quests there, not farm for ectos and drop whenever they feel like it.

What she said. Favor as a mechanism to control access to PVE areas hasn't worked as an inducement to pull PVE players into PVP. Recent additions are probably much more effective. Thanks to the OP for constructive, original suggestions.

Nevertheless, in my humble opinion, they should keep it simple and drop the favor requirement for FOW and UW access completely. I belong to a small guild (4 players / 2 regular players) who have completed all three chapters including all the bonuses for two. We'd very much like to explore both areas but that is impossible at the moment. And, even if America begins to gain favor more regularly, checking to see, seems irrelevant, and doesn't engender any kind of national or "continental" feeling of pride or comraderie.

Arenanet: it really serves no useful purpose for PVE or PVP. Drop the favor requirement for access to FOW and UW. Thanks.